The animals possess none of these characteristics, at least not to the same degree as man, so these seem like strong possibilities for what it means to be made in Gods image. It was the sound of God that Adam heard. You say that since Gods coming is right after Adam and Eve sin, that His reason for coming is to proclaim judgment. It was idyllic. So, heres one guy that wont repeat this again. Dont you think that Adam and Eve being new and first created that God would have been extremely close to them ? Then let the land rest on the seventh year right? Simply quoting Genesis 3:8 does not disprove the point of my post since that verse never says that they walked with God. They are intelligent, rational creatures, capable of communicating and worshiping God. Granted, Adam and Eve walking with God poses no theological problems, but my point here is that the strength (or better, weakness) of that particular argument is roughly the same. Its encouraging to know that my words have been very helpful for you. 21? Further, although the phrase could be translated as a strong wind, the text would still say that he came walking in a strong wind. What if they were some sort of Spiritual Being as God and his Son were at the time. But since God formed (literally squeezed into shape) Adam and breathed into his nostrils and removed one of his ribs and closed up the wound and walked in the garden and spoke to Adam and Eve (and then Cain later on) in a way they could easily understand, the assumption is unavoidable that God was physically there in tangible form. Many people assume that this one verse is symbolic, as . Adam and Eve were the first human beings, from whom every other human being descends. Genesis 3:1-12; 21-24. Its beautiful imagery but youre right, the bible doesnt say this. Genesis 3:8 ? Blessings! Bible Answer: They heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden. Adam (perhaps Eve too) was familiar with Gods presence. Thanks for reading and sharing your thoughts. They were created pre-programmed by God. So comparing Adam and Eve to children who need to learn to talk, eat, etc. The parts of the claim that are not in quotes are my reasonable inferences of your intent, given what you do *say verbatim*. That certainly could have been the case if God made a physical appearance (called a theophany), as He did in other places (e.g., Genesis 12:7; 18:1. In this environment, Adam and Eve had safety, abundant food, meaningful work and fellowship with God. Im not sure that it necessarily follows that there would be ongoing communion and communication between God, Adam, and Eve. You have argued that a strong wind would be a better translation, but you havent explained how it was that Adam knew that this was the sound of God as soon as he heard it. Thanks for the kind words. when they heard God walking in the garden, they hid from God. In Lev 26 god goes into great detail about how they were to walk with god and how god would walk with them ( please dont say ohhh but it doesnt say it) it does say very loudly its deafening. But, like other things, there is truly not a single word to directly support the notion that Adam walked with God in the cool of the day. As a father communes with His children, so does the Creator with His created beings (Psalm 103:13). (Posted on October 30, 2014, http://midwestapologetics.org/blog/?p=1349). They hide among the trees. God then created Eve, "a helper comparable to him" (verse 18). Therefore, it is likely that Adam and Eve had been experiencing close fellowship with the Lord God. Regardless of whether you translate the disputed phrase as cool of the day or strong wind, the text still says that God was walking in the cool of the day / wind (of the day). Because we are made in Gods image, we are called to image God. They could not walk in the garden naked anymore, and they had to defend their actions. Since the Bible doesnt make this claim, its impossible to know for sure where people get the idea from. Thats the one where I spend time talking about the ages of Cain and Abel. Your email address will not be published. So they hid from the LORD God among the trees. It also seems to assume that they were in the garden for quite a while when they almost certainly were not there for long at all. It is possible that the Lord taught them how to do certain things, as you say, but it certainly wasnt necessary. " (John 1:18) . Thats right, you are right there with them from birth, not that they were made a baby first of course, as that would take other humans to raise them as we know it! But God knew they had eaten the forbidden fruit. Just like when we will be fully glorified in the new age, we shall see God, because we shall be sinless then; Adam couldnt have hid himself from wind alone, there must be an accompanied physical presence that he knew about; When you follow the account of Genesis at that material time, its hard to think that God was just coming through the medium of wind, then why did he create man in the first place, if at all he didnt want the man to see him? As you know, I couldnt find it. Sam. Perhaps some people may have this figurative sense in mind when they speak of our first parents walking with God. You asked who they were conversing with. We know that the Israelites did eat some of their animals during the year. Adam tried to put the blame on Eve, and Eve tried to put the blame on the serpent, but God was angry with all three of them! Thanks again for reading! There are several possibilities, such as siblings, nephews, and nieces. Is it that they are referred to as sons of God? holy ones? Thats not exactly a clear cut and dry case, beyond dispute, based on those sparse details. But that is not what it says, so Im trying to help people avoid teaching false ideas about Scripture. Its about urging people to take a closer look at the text so that they do not make false claims about it. The first consequence of Adam and Eve's momentous decision to reject God's revelation was a . This saddens me. Since they were both born in Genesis 4 (after the expulsion from the Garden), they didnt necessarily have to be 120+ by the year Seth was born. Regarding your logic in your blog post here, titled, Did Adam and Eve Walk with God in the Garden? At the same time, Adam understood what God meant when He spoke to him, so there clearly was some preprogramming that occurred when God created him. IMV they were walking in the IMAGE for which God created them with the FREE WILL to CHOOSE. In spite of being familiar with scripture, I never noticed that it doesnt exactly say this. So they hid from the Lord God among the trees in the garden. Some people have inferred from this statement that they must have known what it sounded like to hear God walk in the Garden so they must have walked with Him before. This is stated in the incident where Moses disobeyed by striking the rock instead of speaking to it (Numbers 20:1011). Did you notice something else about the way people typically define the image of God? I think you misunderstand what was meant by the possibility of God coming in the wind. So there minds were NOT YET CORRUPTED until God ALLOWED there FREE WILL to be tested, just as the Father through the Holy Spirit ALLOWED Christ Jesus to be tested in the wilderness. But Im not arguing that this is how He did appear. I do however give a lot of thought when people preach/teach as truth that which is not written but surmised by man/woman to have taken place. Maybe it is implied elsewhere in the Bible? Perhaps some people may have this figurative sense in mind when they speak of our first parents walking with God. God formed Adam from the dust and breathed His own life into the man (Genesis 2:7). You indicate a possible strong wind; did this wind also speak to the serpent and curse it? This is something I have heard countless times, and based on the number of responses trying to justify such a view, its pretty clear that a lot of others have heard it and/or taught it. You read that correctly, the Bible never states that Adam and Eve walked with God in the Garden. Sincerely, In other words, he wasn't Jesus of Nazareth walking . Thank you Michael. So no, I will not take down this post or apologize for it, unless you can actually show me where the Bible says that they did walk with God. Considering that each year subtracted from Cain and Abels ages at the time of Abels murder could be added to Adam and Eves time in the Garden, its quite possible that Adam and Eve spent many years in the Garden, which would make their sin all that more sorrowful. I am so happy to find your website. Part of the commission to rule over creation would have included the need to study it and figure things out. First it should be recognised that Genesis is a seed box if you want details you need to keep reading. Theres no reason to think that they waited 60+ years to have children when they were already husband and wife and were created by God to fulfill the instructions He had given them, including be fruitful and multiply.. There were two special fruit trees in the garden: The Tree of Life and the Tree of Knowledge. But what did they actually hear that made them afraid? I believe God appeared to Adam and Eve and Cain and Enoch and Noah and Abraham and Isaac and Jacob (when He wrestled with Him) and the parents of Samson, and even to Balaam and his donkey, the same way He appeared to John. When he made Eve, he took a rib, closed up Adams side with flesh and then he brought the woman to Adam. An additional notable commentary is that God made Adam in His image and likeness, and imbued him with His Spirit the breath of life. In conclusion, the whole of chapter 2 & 3 causes me to conclude that Adam regularly communed with God somehow; and to me probably daily (or at least almost) since we know we are the apple of His eye. Christ exemplified the relationship that mankind should have with our heavenly Father and creator. Im not making an accusation here, but I do want to help people avoid making this mistake. But what comes to my mind is why would you choose this debated part to address the concern. Our hearts were reformed for this exact purpose. Adam and Eve are walking around in the Garden of Eden, and they meet up with this serpent who asks them an interesting question: "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the . 2 keep my sabbaths and reverence my sanctuary.3 IF YOU WALK IN MY STATUTES AND KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS AND DO THEM 4 then I will give you rain in due season and the land shall give her increase and the trees of the field shall yield there fruit. Adam fell because he freely chose to disobey God, but second because he listened to his wife who had also freely chosen to disobey. Far too often, we allow traditions, even seemingly innocent ones, to become the basis for our understanding of Scripture. god wanted to walk (live) with them in an ongoing and fruitful relationship and the whole book of Leviticus shows them how to correctly walk with god. Adam and Eve's Separation from God . God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. Although Exodus established that God was present everywhere through the judgement on Egypt, it also taught that God would be present in a special way in the tabernacle (later to be replaced by the temple). I am not disagreeing and saying that Gods reason for coming was not to proclaim judgment, I am disagreeing by saying that we can not say for sure what Gods reason was for coming, Scripture doesnt clarify. Not all of the time of course, how else would they have rebelled against Him. But that isnt the point of what I wrote. They probably werent in the garden for very long at allperhaps just a few days to a few weeks. They were not merely spiritual beings at that point. They had bone and flesh before they sinned, before they recognized their nakedness. Where is the specific support for this argument found anywhere in the scriptures? I guess its just hard to let go of certain ideas, but we must always allow our thinking to be challenged by what Scripture actually says rather than what we want it to say. when they heard God they hid from Him. Another potential source for this idea is found in the statements made about those who did walk with God. Thanks for your comments. 5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. Who was Cain afraid of? Just read John 1 it says God was there in the beginning and on earth in the flesh so just read the book. The idea of God openly talking and physically walking with Adam and Eve is that God is interested in humans and want to develop a close friendship with them. What does it mean for God to walk with them? CLAIM #1: They and their children would experience sickness, pain, and physical death. I was scanning Gen 2&3 to use the text where God walked with Adam in the garden. In order to answer the question of why God created Adam and Eve naked we first need to look as some Scriptures which show that the Bible uses clothing is a symbol of our character. But at least enough time passed to provide people who lived in Nod and a wife for Cain. Ed, Could Adam and Eve have actually taken walks with God in the Garden? Also, Adam didnt necessarily say that he heard Gods voice (some Bibles translate it that way), but it could just as accurately be translated as your sound in the garden. AMOS 3:3 CAN 2 WALK TOGETHER UNLESS THEY BE AGREED? And it was a good animal and God was pleased. Then it says that Adam & Eve hid themselves from God's presence and then they confessed that they "heard" His voice and hid themselves from His voice. However, most people inevitably mention them walking in the cool of the day, so they arent thinking of it in the figurative sense. Now go to verse 17 Cain made love to his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. I must stand corrected as I also remembered Adam and Eve walking in the cool of the afternoon with God. I was putting together a Bible lesson today for my twin girls on the Fall of Man. 5 Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth[ a] and no plant had yet sprung up, for the Lord God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground, 6 but streams[ b] came up from the . The article is not imposing a narrow standard that makes no room for inference or implication. Tim. I agree with your conclusion that we should not assume that God was at Adam and Eves beck and call, coming around for a stroll whenever they wanted Him there, or that God spent considerable time fellowshipping with them in physical form as friends do. It does not say that God drove Adam and Eve, or the man and the woman, out of the Garden of Eden. Ive added that to the article now to help clarify that point. God walking with people normally suggests closeness and intimacy and fellowship. Its not hard at all to see that Adams and Eves sins broke the right standing they had with God. Useful insights. But this goes beyond them, it goes back to Adam and Eve.Adam and Eve had the privilege of being with God, the way that God had intended. Maybe it is written somewhere else in other ancient writings? And whatever Adam called each living creature, that was its name.<<<<. Maybe their nakedness was not exposed genitalia, but realized they were naked in some other maner. Hi Kevin, Thanks for your thoughts and kind words. I too have always heard that God walked with Adam & Eve in the cool of the day every day. Psalm 29 also uses strong imagery to show how the sound of the Lord acts upon nature like a powerful storm, breaking and bending trees and stripping off their leaves (Psalm 29:59, NET). The phrase "walked with God" first appears in the Bible in Genesis 5:22 and refers to Enoch after He was "raptured" but I understand what you're asking. It was a choice that they both made in full knowledge of what was right and wrong. Totally agree with you to know that not everything was told to us, but take what we are told and use it for good, not for argument. I can see that they heard either a sound or a voice. We know that God is Omnipresent. 8 In the cool of the evening, the man and his wife heard the Lord God walking around in the garden. Whats not fine with me is saying that the Bible says something that it doesnt. Here is a link to the Wikicommons page showing that this illustration is in the public domain: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Schnorr_von_Carolsfeld_Bibel_in_Bildern_1860_009.png. He is eternally begotten of the Father, one with the Father, in essence, but he had not yet become flesh. 14Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.. He saw them sew fig leaves together to cover themselves. Im not a Greek or Hebrew expert, or even a student. I depend on what I can find on sites (currently I use biblehub.com). I agree that youre right to the extent that believers should be mindful to validate sermons, statements or stories from pastors. Easy, no relevance to the story. Yes, Adam and Eve were sinless, but this doesnt mean that Gods physical presence needed to be right where they were. Hi Tim you stated; How many pastors and other teachers have taught that the Bible says Adam and Eve walked with God in the garden? Based on the sheer number of people who have claimed this, it must be found somewhere in the Bible, right? Ive heard this, believed this, and repeated this on more than one occasion. Let me shine light on tis section you have written: If you will count the number of people listed as being created, you will find Adam #1, Eve #2 then Cain #3 and Able #4. so thats a total of four people listed as being on the Earth. It doesn't come before, which furthers the notion that God would have been content with them being without clothes, at least provided they didn't eat from the Tree. Thanks for this article, it was an interesting read. As I mentioned in the conclusion of the article, it is certainly possible that the Lord walked with Adam and Eve, and if He did, then it may well have been the preincarnate Christ who walked with them. Hi Tim, The main point of this entire post is to encourage Christians to look closely at Scripture, so that they will stop saying, The Bible says Adam and Eve walked with God or something very similar. Fifth, if someone doesn't like the idea that God knew they would be . I hope this clarifies my objective in the post. Other Biblical accounts clearly show this - as it is God who speaks with, walks with, and assist humans to discover His nature and His love. Im not sure where you got the idea that Im hellbent on trying to make a point of saying that Adam and Eve did not walk with God. I have no problem with the idea that Adam and Eve may have walked with God, which is what I stated in the conclusion of the post and in several follow-up comments. In terms of the theological questions of how God could do this, one answer could be that it is an embodied pre-incarnate Christ, the Angel of the Lord, who is himself the Lord and who appears many times in the Old Testament. Thats correct, and I write about that in my book, Fallen. God communicated many things to Adam. He was their friend. He claims that seeing Him is seeing the Father.. then I see no problem with Jesus being the physical manifestation of God walking in . So it seems as if Abel had just recently passed away. When the Lord made him on the sixth day, He commanded him not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. My post simply raises the possibility that He may have used something similar to the whirlwind of Job 38:1. When the shadows flee away, I will go my way to the mountain of myrrh. Walked with God is a favorite expression in Genesis, depicting the righteous conduct of Israels heroes, including Enoch, Noah, and Abraham. There are some who says He came in angelic forms throughout the Bible yes He did but thats through another likeness. That would be what we today would consider a lifetime of experiencing Gods faithfulness and guidance, only to throw it away in a single day! All of the things you mentioned are plausible, but they do not build a watertight argument. Again, in Gen 3:24, we see that God drove the man out of the Garden of Eden. Can you show me some similar articles? 19 Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, >>>>>and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them. I decided to search the internet to see WHY people believe this. I am searching for ideas about the absence of God in the Garden. And then. So, it is not a far stretch to suppose that God and Adam might have walked together in the Garden, if not regularly, else why would God have gone to the trouble to create a garden and put man into it, if not to have a direct relationship. Im glad to know that what you are able to recognize what I hope to accomplish whenever I respond to people. They forgot about God. And I think a strong case can be made for the notion that they werent in the garden very long at all. I never really gave it much thought that Adam and Eve walked with God in the garden.God can and does whatever He wants to do. Jack ~'()~ I also see or notice (for first time) that the description occurred after the fall & is only described once. September 13, 2019. Genesis 3:8. The Tree-of-Life was in the middle of the garden, also the Tree-of-Knowledge-of-Good-and-Evil. So again, lets not be naive to think that God didnt spend time with them! To say that life was good in the Garden of Eden would be an understatement. After all, they had not experienced or seen death as of yet. God fashioned Eve out of Adam's rib (Genesis 2:22). We know that God is capable of doing this, but >>my point< OK, so does the Bible state or imply that He didnt walk with Adam & Eve BEFORE they sinned? thank you so much. God told them to be fruitful and multiply. It says, coats of skin. (Vs. 14) Did this wind also clothe Adam and Eve with skins from an animal that had to be killed? I hope this helps. Romans 5:10-12 Im sure the water God supplied was for the animals as well as the people. The Lord could speak from His throne and these actions could be performed just as easily as if He had manifested in the garden to perform the actions. No the bible didnt directly say they walked with God. God did really walked with man physically, reasons: then Adam was sinless, only sin can hide God from us, so why should God hide himself from a sinless being? Tim> However, that fact has very little to do with whether He walked with Adam and Eve in the garden. Was it God walking or was it something different? But your claim is based on only such a narrow standard. God told them, "You may eat fruit from any tree, except one. The problem with this scenario is that Adam and Eve were almost certainly not in the Garden very long. 4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, when the Lord God made the earth and the heavens. Because Adam and Eve had eaten the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, the Lord sent them out of the Garden of Eden into the world. With that being said, I agree with you that it is reasonable to infer that He spent time with them, but the Bible does not imply that He did, and that was the point of this post. Your entire post is irrelevant to the discussion because you are trying to show what it means when it says that someone walked with God. Song of Solomon 2:17. God has, in certain instances, revealed Himself in bodily form. Hi Jeff, However, the walk in these passages should probably be understood in a figurative sense. Why werent they mentioned? The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him. Again, nothing in Scripture tells us that they walked with God or carried on a conversation with Him. But then you had already stated this was possible. Yes, Im aware that the KJV translates the term as voice. But look closely, notice that it never says they walked with the voice of God. If this is the correct way to understand the wording in Genesis 3, then I think it would be something similar. Even if this translation is accurate, which is debatable, it does not say that they walked with God. Adam and Eve as well as other people born during the no-sin era. Hi David, 9 GOD made all kinds of trees grow from the ground, trees beautiful to look at and good to eat. They heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of . Therefore God was not always with them in the Garden, not as we know it anyway. You cant see that Leviticus expounds on how to walk with god? While its within the realm of possibility that Adam and Eve were 60+ when expelled from the garden, I find it extremely unlikely. Before the fall, Adam and Eve were without sin and immortal . Im not saying this is true, Im just pointing out that scripture does not say skins of animals or that God killed animals to clothe them. It would be far better to use a supporting argument that has a strong biblical basis. Thank you for helpful writing. Like I mentioned before, I dont have a problem with the idea that they may have walked with God in the garden. Contemporary English Version Late in the afternoon, when the breeze began to blow, the man and woman heard the LORD God walking in the garden. I just want to offer a thought about Cain and Abels ages. If you want to try to build a case for the possibility, thats fine with me too. I believe whenever we read the words The Word of the Lord came to such and such prophet, that means Jesus (who is the Word of God)literally came to that individual as Jesus appeared to John on the Island of Patmos. Adam & Eve had been very naughty and they were hiding from the Lord!! (NASB) Gen. 3:8. Answer (1 of 21): The context once again gives the answer. Just a quick note: The verb used here in verse 8 to describe the divine movement of God mihalli (sorry, my keyboard isnt able to type this word out correctly) suggests iterative and habitual aspects. Do you think the lord actually cares if pastors are saying Adam and Eve did walk with God? Not because I think Im right and feel holier than thou but it was just something burning in me saying NO. I have been studying this part about god walking with Adam when I came across your post. As I mentioned in the conclusion, God could have walked with them, but the Bible does not tell us that He did. by Erik Jones. But its an irrelevant point. When God gave commandments to Adam and Eve, he also granted them the ability to intelligently decide whether to keep that covenant from God, or choose to disobey God. Possible the sound he heard was uncharacteristically harsh & is why he was afraid. 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.". The Genesis account contains provocative clues as to what Adam and Eve lost by withdrawing from God. However, that story or statement being preached wont cause anyone to fall into sin. 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