I've got some Islamic examples. It was, you know, it was Rome. CLIFFORD SCHORER: which I will acquire. JUDITH RICHARDS: Do youwhatat Agnew'sso, in thisspecifically in this period of your life, what do you think are the greatest challenges you are grappling with as a businessman-slash-collector art expert? CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yeah, the experiences, the moments, and all of that. ONE SIZE ONE SIZE 16.0cm10.8cm5.3cm ! . CLIFFORD SCHORER: I mean, especially lesser objects. So you have lots of interesting things in Bulgaria, but they're basically in the sort of, you know, big, communist, ornate, central museum in Sofia. If I quit my day job, then I would put an extraordinary amount of undue pressure on the gallery to be earning period by period, and I think that would be to the detriment of the galley. Those days are over. This is the flotsam and jetsam of my other businesses. JUDITH RICHARDS: You had no idea when you went to Plovdiv that there would be such a. But, but then, you know, many, many years later, basically, it was all dissipated. JUDITH RICHARDS: Mm-hmm. But yes, I did bring in a professional for a while. They invited my paleontological heroes, which they also did a wonderful job ofand I sat in the audience quietly, and then at the end of it, we came to an accommodation to create a permanent installation for the specimen, which is the largest specimen in the state. He and I. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Meaning, I bought a company. I had this Dutch East India commemorative bowl, which I bought very early on, which I was very, very pleased with, which she just sold to a collector who wanted a Dutch East India commemorative bowl, which I think is fun because the Dutch connection, of coursethe Dutch fueled their money addiction and their art addiction by trading. And then we put that with a 1930s painting by [Tulio] Crali, you know, this sort of aeropittura of Modernism. My maternal grandfather was dead by the time I was born. TV Shows. SUBSCRIBE. I felt very, very good about that moment, because it was ayou know, I've always been concerned about the state of van Dyck scholarship, especially recently, because. And, I mean, it's an enormous orbit. And the market was not very discerning, because there were enough people in it to absorb all that material. Solely responsible. There's an understanding of what they need; there's an understanding of what they want. Is this Crespi?" Other people who you could talk to about becomingabout this passion? You know? New York,NY10010, Dedicated to collecting and preserving the papers and primary records of the visual arts in America, Archives of American Art, Smithsonian Institution, 2023 Archives of American Art, Smithsonian Institution, Terra Foundation Center for Digital Collections, Guidelines for Processing Collections with Audiovisual Material, Washington D.C. Headquarters and Research Center, Publications Using Material from the Archives of American Art, Oral history interview with Clifford Schorer, 2018, Art Collectors: A Project in Partnership with the Center for the History of Collecting in America at The Frick Collection, Art -- Collectors and collecting -- New York (State) -- New York -- Interviews. I'd write a letter and say, you know, "I think this is by Crespi." I mean, paleontology, you have to understand, is the rarity of those objects, compared to the paintings we're talking about. Objects, not so much. JUDITH RICHARDS: The Lewises [Sydney and Frances]. CLIFFORD SCHORER: and previously had been unassociated. And I thought that was very, veryit was really very nice, because I would just come over and talk about art. [00:16:00]. But I think that would bleed money away from my other, more serious interests. So for them to have, you know, something that is at that levelI mean, compared to broken pieces of pots, which is what the rest of the museum was, you know, broken fragments of pots and maybe some rings. He focuses on businesses with unique ideas or technologies that are in need of guidance during their initial growth phases. But I bought it for the frame. But I did buy things that were interesting. I mean, the institutions usually insure when it's inside their building, and I insure it to get there and to get it back. [00:10:00], JUDITH RICHARDS: Are there any art historians who are thinking about writing. CLIFFORD SCHORER: That's a tough question. JUDITH RICHARDS: Because how you define a collection and the price point? Clifford celebrated 56th birthday on May 31. I mean, sure. [00:48:00]. CLIFFORD SCHORER: So it was very, very pleasing to me to have, you know, the Antwerp Museumyou know, the KMSKAbuy, with their own money, what I consider to be a certain van Dyck sketch, you know, from a very importantyou know, one of his pictures in the Prado, one of his preparatory sketches for one of the pictures in the Prado. And then I would see the object resurface with a new price tag on it. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yeah, yeah. You know, bags full of them. And those days are now over, because the auction companies have created a broader market. It's King Seuthes III. And they tended to be a little unstable. So, you know. ], JUDITH RICHARDS: That's okay. [00:56:00], CLIFFORD SCHORER: I do like art storage and handling. To me, what's happened is, it's a lifestyle that maybe is going away, the lifestyle of the sort of dedicated scholar, in high, euphemistic quotes, collector who would buy one major painting per year, who would study, study, study, study, study until they found that moment, and then it would come and they would buy it, and they put it in their collection, and then they die with a 29-painting collection that's extraordinary. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yeah. So I went to the director's office. CLIFFORD SCHORER: No, they close rooms. You know, from the slaves of West Africa, to the sugar, to the rum, to the plates, to the spices. I'm not sure exactly the year, but I remember there were a few what I would consider to be ambitious acquisitions that I made that I was very, very pleased with, where there wasn't as much competition as I anticipated. Completed College. I mean, you know, we have aboutI'm trying to remember how many photographs there are. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Well, I mean, I can say more about that, but I can't say more about that for litigation purposes. And, CLIFFORD SCHORER: Probably about 10 years ago, where I just said, you know, maybe. CLIFFORD SCHORER: I'm trying to think what I'veno, what I've done is, which is interesting, is I've sort of done that kind of thing your psychiatrist advises you to do, which is I'm projecting. And this was an example of something that they made to commemorate the 100-year anniversary, probably around 1744 or so, of the VOC [United East India Company] making entres into China to sell the export goods. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Oh, definitely. Because I know I started my business in 1983, in March, and that wasI was 17 then. Clifford Winslow in North Carolina, Deaths, 1931-1994. And I was still trying to buy, you know, what I could buy with a little bit of money in the stamps and coins world. But in general, we're not [laughs] going to be the maker of manners in that conversation. CLIFFORD SCHORER: No, there were, you know, metalwares; there were Art Nouveau objects; there were lock boxes. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yes. And that was really my main goal. [00:29:55]. And they still associate us with the great works of art, with the quality of the art, because Agnew's obviouslyunsurpassed in theI mean, 15 percent of the National Gallery comes from Agnew's. You know, it clouds my view of the artwork. I mean, veryyou know, the Inverted Jennys, the Zeppelin sheet. I went to a boarding school in New Hampshire called Kimball Union Academy, that was not in and of itself a bad high school experience. Their collection was just chock-a-block with things that had nothing to do with museum collections. But, no, I mean, it's. CLIFFORD SCHORER: into the gallery's living room, or the prospective buyer's living room if that's something the buyer would consider. So I was independent; I mean, I was independent from a very young age. CLIFFORD SCHORER: It's almost ready. It's Triceratops Cliffbut this is entre nous. Located in the Donald W. Reynolds Center for American Art and Portraiture (8th and F Streets NW), Size: 5 sound files (3 hr., 57 min.) But I mean, as you became, CLIFFORD SCHORER: No, no, no. [Affirmative.] I loved the flea markets in Paris in those days. There they prepared the fish for despatch to the fishmarket in . And I understand why; you know, some of the scholars are superannuated, and they're just not in the game anymore, and there's a verythere has been a very forceful cabal of dealers who've manipulated the market. CLIFFORD SCHORER: managing their affairs. So it's more interesting early on in American history because they were here very early. R-O. JUDITH RICHARDS: And the Museum of Fine Arts? We should close the museum tomorrow and give everybody that walks by on the sidewalk $400 and just call it a day, because that's what the budget is. And, you know, you can do that, and if it's done aesthetically well, you can show somebody that, you know, you can still have the quality and think about what a bargain it is. And I saw Daniele Crespi as an artist who is equally competent but died so young that he never really established his name. So [00:44:00]. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yeah. [00:40:05]. CLIFFORD SCHORER: So, no. So those were always fun and, again, because a Crespi comes top of mind, there were three Crespis that came up that I was able to buy and reattribute to Crespi, and now they're accepted. CLIFFORD SCHORER: No, no, so I had minor collecting in that area, JUDITH RICHARDS: While you were collecting. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yeah. [Laughs.]. And you know, I'myou know, if you ask me to, I'll do the carpentry, the electrical, and the plumbing. I'm also sendingwherever there is some scholarly interest, I'm sending them out to museums, so that somebody puts a new mind on them, puts a new eyeball on them. I mean, I certainlyI met people. Summary: An interview with Clifford Schorer conducted 2018 June 6-7, by Judith Olch Richards, for the Archives of American Art and the Center for the History of Collecting in America at the Frick Art Reference Library of The Frick Collection, at the offices of the Archives of American Art in New York, New York. But my desire to live in the middle of nowherethis was in Meriden, New Hampshire, which was literally the middle of nowherewith 400 other. That's all. But even better, it led me later to the apartment of the descendant of the original commissioner of the painting, whom I found in Madrid, from whom I bought the last painting from that same series. It was basicallythey didn't tell me who bought it, but they told me it was reserved, and then shortly thereafter I learned the National Gallery in Washington bought it. CLIFFORD SCHORER: But, you know, and with the absorption of the Higgins Armory collection, the unrestricted endowment grew by 25 percent, even though the Higgins was out of money, because of the way we orchestrated that handover. CLIFFORD SCHORER: And also, you know, the sort ofthe mere suggestion that the Agnew's family would ever deal in such a thing [laughs], the bristle with which that question was met gave me great comfort that they actually didn't. JUDITH RICHARDS: So you're collecting Italianroughly Italian Baroque; that's around 1600 to 17how do you define it? Another gallery, a different gallery? I wanted somebody who had been in the market for a long time, who had great relationships with people, that sort of thing. You know, it was important to me that that's the type of person, you know, sink or swim, whetheryou know, I didn't want a shark. So think about it from that perspective. No question about that. And heby the time I knew him, he had retired as, I think, the 50- or 60-year chief engineer of Grumman Aerospace, sofor their plants, not for their aircraft manufacturing. I mean, I'm not writing 400-page tomes on, you know, theyou know, the Old Testament series of Rubens. JUDITH RICHARDS: Was that because you didn't know that they would be able to teach you something? I didn't. JUDITH RICHARDS: But it sounds like it proved to be a good choice. JUDITH RICHARDS: Do you want to mention any specifics? I probably only have maybe 20 pieces left. JUDITH RICHARDS: You saidwhich auction was that? And then when they referred you to something else that was interesting, I would go look at that. ", CLIFFORD SCHORER: It's interesting. You know, it's a hydra; I could wrap my arms around and, you know, slowly get a handle on what the risks are, because it is a big beast. You know, someI mean, certainly, the newer collectors who are in the Dutch and Flemish world, I think they're less scholar-collectors. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Well, it's interesting, because when I was confronted with the idea of buying the firm and realizing that I don't ever want to be the public faceI don't want to be the person in front of this business; it's not my world. She's great. And she says, "Wait here." Got straight Fs in every class for the next year. I read that it's your first business involvement with an art gallery, or an arts institution. He would give me projects to do. But has there been an increase in some competition, or the alternative? So, yes, I mean, you're talking about a razor-thin equation which is, you know, buy, consign, don't buy. JUDITH RICHARDS: So you start to spend more time in New York, or that's auction? And I'm thinking, Who are these people? Wikimedia Commons. So those areyou know, those are fun. He bought Snyders's house, and he's turned it into a museum, and he connected it to the museum next door. JUDITH RICHARDS: Well, that's it. 1. To have the picture debuted with this book about how it's a masterpiece; have it not sell. I mean, it's been a lot more fun than I ever would have imagined. And that's not my world at all. I have the Coronation Halberd of the Archduke Albrecht, and it's in the museum at Worcester [laughs], and, no. JUDITH RICHARDS: grinding your own pigments. So I walked across the bridge with the gun towers, and you know. So, CLIFFORD SCHORER: In Spain, in Madrid. Local fishing used both lines and nets, and the women were responsible for maintaining and preparing them for the men. Now, that's where the museum world and my personal life intersected, because of the Worcester Art Museum. CLIFFORD SCHORER: No, not really. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Renovations; purchasing a company; selling a fiber optic switchyou know, whatever it isyou know, building a shelteryou know, we do all sorts of different sort of project-based companies, and nothing has cash flow, meaning I don't sell widgets and collect the 39-cent margin on a widget, and I don't sell X number widgets a year. JUDITH RICHARDS: Well, let's remember to get back to that. I've been coming to every Skinner auction for 10 yearsoh, more than that, 19 years. I mean [00:02:00], JUDITH RICHARDS: Yeah. I was likethis is incredible. JUDITH RICHARDS: Have you been involved with other arts institutions besides Worcester? CLIFFORD SCHORER: I, you know, I'll let, CLIFFORD SCHORER: I'll let posterity decide that. And so I painted one Madonna and Child with pickles and fruit [they laugh], which is the Carlo Crivelli typical. So, yeah. Nevertheless, do you get calls? If there's anything that somebodyI mean, two weeks from now in San Francisco, two big Pre-Raphaelite paintings will be in their Pre-Raphaelite show [Truth and Beauty: The Pre-Raphaelites and the Old Masters, Legion of Honor Museum, San Francisco]. JUDITH RICHARDS: Good morning. $14. Do you have a year that you, CLIFFORD SCHORER: I kind of had a hard stop at 1650 in Rome, but in Naples, I took it right to 1680. And as I said, I mean, that was ait was a wise decision to buy Chinese. [00:16:00], You know, she was waving me away. CLIFFORD SCHORER: And some, you know, lifting, but I usually don't let it get to flaking. These things happen, I suppose. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Mm-hmm. No, no. CLIFFORD SCHORER: One hopes. And, you know, I've watched her career rise. He soon turned his talent to oil painting. Were there collectors you were reading about or you met? Alf Clausen, film composer. Select the best result to find their address, phone number, relatives, and public records. CLIFFORD SCHORER: I wouldn'tI would probably never acquire another gallery, because that wouldI mean, I think I would probably be more of a financial investor in other art businesses, potentially service businesses. I mean, to me, the Met is visiting. I mean, was there a kind of sense that you have when you look back that there was a certain period of time when you were doing a lot of research and reading? It was amazing. He worked masterfully with both oil paint and watercolors. JUDITH RICHARDS: What was the interest in traveling through those countries? I said, you know, "They found it in 2004." And my rooms were, you know, burgundy, and you know, very, very deep colors. So I know, for example, in Sofia that they have wonderful, you know, Mithraic panels from tombs and things, you know, from altars, because Mithraism was very big during the Roman Empire. CLIFFORD SCHORER: You know, it's very arbitrary, and I think maybe they were going to open it later, and maybe they weren't. JUDITH RICHARDS: I notice that there was a major contribution from, maybe, from your business to the Museum of Science. So, you know, in the stamp world, yes. Are there light issues with the materials that you collect, and has that beenor had an impact on your home? So. CLIFFORD SCHORER: It's a loan, yeah, yeah. CLIFFORD SCHORER: And often, those are the ones I cannot afford under any circumstances. And then send it away andI'm trying to remember who did the book. Or you know, just maybe the one-tenth of one percent could suss it out. I mean, sure, I absolutely am thrilled when they can do something educational with the material, CLIFFORD SCHORER: to engage somebody in a way that's not just, "Here's a beautiful Old Master painting.". CLIFFORD SCHORER: My father was a businessman. I packed it up in the overhead. [00:06:02]. You know, it was this incredibly complex. JUDITH RICHARDS: Yeah. He was a very important stamp collector. It's oftenit's often not of the period. JUDITH RICHARDS: Is there an exhibition that you would love to see created that relates to what you've been collecting and discovering and what you want to learn about? [They laugh.] But, you know, that, to me, is all very rewarding. I mean, but I didn't, you know, I wasn't trying to make myself a gadfly in the market, or even a gadfly in the curatorial world. [Laughs.] It was ridiculous. [Laughs.] CLIFFORD SCHORER: it's ano, it's a part gift, part sale, and in the end, it hadthe strings that I had, they met them all, which were that they're going to do a focal exhibition on paleontology in thebecause they're doing a re-jigger of many of their exhibitions. [00:42:05]. So I was. So it. JUDITH RICHARDS: Yeah. JUDITH RICHARDS: Can you remember key purchases you made in thosewhat you define as early years? Talking about architecture? CLIFFORD SCHORER: early panel paintings in New England, for example. The marketplace has sort of moved away from providing them a platform for that, because there weren't enough of them. CLIFFORD SCHORER: by someone who possessed it. But, you know, the other trip that really comes to mind recentlyand, again, it's in a totally unrelated field. What happened?" JUDITH RICHARDS: When you were doing research and you were reading auction catalogues, those are catalogues with the sale prices written in. So, you know, to me, I'm in awe of that ability. Someone mentioned the name Mark Fisch to meJon Landau. My grandfather was also lobbying hard, saying, "Go back to school." CLIFFORD SCHORER: Mm-hmm. CLIFFORD SCHORER: No. Pronunciation of Clifford J. Schorer with 1 audio pronunciation and more for Clifford J. Schorer. [00:28:00]. [Laughs.]. CLIFFORD SCHORER: commentarywe had a Reynolds and a Kehinde Wiley together, and we showed that, you know, basically, this portraitureyou know, the portraiture is not only of its time, but it also can be timeless. So that'syou know, the reality is though, that that painting will never come my way, so I have toto go back to this question, has my philosophy about this changed in the course of it? JUDITH RICHARDS: Did you keep in touch with him over the years? Not, Were they scientifically designed fakes made to deceive? So you've got another decoupling. CLIFFORD SCHORER: It's a big change, yes. October 16, 2020; Beef And Broccoli. And I was so, Oh, my God, you know, that's incredible. And I said, "I wantjust let me in." CLIFFORD SCHORER: No. CLIFFORD SCHORER: So, I mean, I would say that all of those things would be exciting and fun to do, but unfortunately, I don't have the ability to do them all. He was born and raised in the Cambridge area, Boston, MA, and the first work he did in the field of art, was working as a print maker, in Boston, as well as in New York, which he eventually made his home in 1859. . And I said, you know, "Thanks for that." CLIFFORD SCHORER: But you know, Chesterfield is a certain type of geo-politic. And Agnew's was one of the firms that simply refused to deal in what they called "refugee art." So that is something I did with them. JUDITH RICHARDS: Mm-hmm. That is a harder issue for the contemporary world, I think. And he said, "Do you know what you bought?" CLIFFORD SCHORER: No, no. The US family who owned it believed it was a 20th-century reproduction. In my mind, I have a totally different collection, which is that I had unlimited funds for 25 years, and I selectively purchased the 19 works that came through the marketplace that I should have purchased. CLIFFORD SCHORER: That's very funny. CLIFFORD SCHORER: So, saw them, bought them; in one case, I'll give credit to someone else because it's his discovery of the lot, but I would see them and buy them and then, you know, we would basically spend time working on them. florida sea level rise map 2030 8; lee hendrie footballer wife 1; CLIFFORD SCHORER: I think, you know, my life is here in the States, and, you know, Ithe fortunate thing is that I haven't quit my day job, because if I relied uponbecause the gallery is an unevena very uneven cash flow. And I have it at home to remind myself of what an absolutely abysmal painter I am and to really, you know, bring homeyou know, I always think I can put myI can do anything I put my head to. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yeah, we are, and we will. CLIFFORD SCHORER: Which was great. CLIFFORD SCHORER: And actually go to the apartments where they were. And I saw my name alone in a category, and I was very shocked, because I had never said, "You may do that." Without having someone who could actually be front and center, running the business, I would not have purchased the company. Armed with little more than his wits, Winslow Homer was, at 25, one of only a few artist-reporters embedded with Union troops for Harper's Weekly Illustrated. And I had learned four or five other programming languages and shown proficiency in them, just because I knew that they'd be useful. So those are the reason that I try to stay involved with things like the Corpus Rubenianum, which is the Rubens study group that is publishingit runs the Burchard foundation that publishes the books, the Corpus Rubenianum. CLIFFORD SCHORER: No, I go to London about seven days a month, and again, you know, the gallery operates on its own. And there were some of them that were good enough to deceive the best. And they're outside smoking cigarettes, and they're not talking about art. It hadeffectively, it had been on the market for 25 or 30 years. And that's a big question in the art market; you know, having the liability for everything you've ever sold coming back to say, "Wait a minute, this is a fake," or, "This attribution is wrong," or, you know [00:40:00], JUDITH RICHARDS: Or, "This is Nazi loot," and. It's got to be more than 16 years ago because I've been on the roster there for 16 years, so maybe 20 years ago. JUDITH RICHARDS: So he's the director ofthe managing director, CLIFFORD SCHORER: He's director. It was justmy grandfather would look at something and understand intrinsically what it needed to do, and what the tolerances needed to be. I had this library that I carted around with me on my back, so to speak, from little apartment to little apartment. No, I was 15 and a half. Or whose voice will impact this collection that's sort of held for the public trust? Just one. I like Paris. JUDITH RICHARDS: How important is that to you? CLIFFORD SCHORER: Yeah. CLIFFORD SCHORER: And I neededI needed to. And they are identical sizes; they're both signed; and to me, this is the project that shows Procaccini as the truly important artist that he was, not simply a Lombard artist, but a great artist. [00:46:00]. And often that's not a message that's simple enough for people to understand. We can cover a lot of auctions in a night. CLIFFORD SCHORER: And I said, "Sure. I mean, my rooms were very dark. But I think that if there's any way you can filter out the noise of the marketplacebecause the noise of the marketplace is just a cacophony now compared to when Iyou know, when I was first starting. There were a few deals out there where I was a partner with the gallery to back the purchase of something a little bit more expensive, and then the gallery would sell that thing, and I would get a percentage of the profit. 9:30 a.m.12:00 p.m. They will charge the buyer 20 to 25 percent." JUDITH RICHARDS: Hello. So that's always. More from This Artist Similar Designs. CLIFFORD SCHORER: I'm starting to meet people. [Affirmative.] Regularly, you know, that you say, "Okay, we're going to fly it to Hong Kong; we're going to do this show; we're going to put it in this catalogue [laughs]; we're going to hire this scholar to write an article." JUDITH RICHARDS: That's, like, a half a million? So I'm sure that somewhere they've usedyou know, time goes by, and they use your name. I was their last call, because they didn'tthey wanted silent investors who did what they were told to do, and I was going to be an active investor who wanted to physically see the painting, who wanted to understand their rationale for purchasing it, and who wanted to understand their pricing strategy. [00:08:00]. That was completely alone. I mean, I have a fewI have a print from a Bulgarian art show from 1890. And I'll explain, "Well, actually, they won't charge you zero. 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